Only U.S and U.K are smiling - the rest are dying.

[citrus]

Reinhardt,

These guys didn't get to be known as the top guys at what they do by sucking. Do you really think a copywriter could get away with charging $15K for example if their copy did not convert?

On the off chance that your $15K letter doesn't convert as well as you'd hoped, then your $15K copywriter will do rewrites until it does. As a top level service provider, reputation is everything. If you're a cent-per-word article writer, who cares if you're a day late or subpar with your customer service. But when you're at the top, your client's success is your success, their failure is your failure. A happy client turns into a returning client.

It's not possible to guarantee results with such investments. If it was, everyone would be rich. You're taking a calculated risk by investing in something like this. Plus, not everything depends on the service provider - what you bring to the table affects your results as well.

Cheers,
Curtis

[Netinvestor]

20K is not that big of an investment for the U.S folks.

What you mean to say is "20K is not that big of an investment for anybody who has the money". I'm sure there are a few Americans who can't afford that price tag either (or Canadians like me for that matter).

Hey Reinhardt,

i´m also in this position... it don´t know how to invest such big amounts and i totaly agree what mike is writing...from my very first time i started reinvest all i have... but believe me i can´t give away $20000 for a copywriter... i think that´s too much..but you´re right when you are writing that the price is no problem when there is a guarantee for return....but who can give you this guarantee for return?? nobody..in my opinion..

cheers,

Patrick

Patrick,

Don't let a copywriter hear you say that $20K is too much for copywriting services...lol. Nothing that a copywriter ever charges is "too much" if they have a track record.

I don't have that kind of money right now, but if I did, I would give it all away in a heartbeat if I knew I would make an awesome ROI.

You mentioned a guarantee for return...the only reason anyone in the IM world should be paying $20K for copywriting is if they have an excellent product, an army of affiliates, and an excellent back-end in place. Many of the gurus happen to have all these things, so they'll shell out 5 figures for copy without blinking an eye.

Keep in mind that professional copywriters don't just hand over a .DOC file and go their merry way. They'll give you marketing advice, additional headlines to test, and more.

Curtis

yes you´re right...for this good situated guys that have a army of affilates aso... thats no problem... but what about the liddle guys who are trying to sell their products?? I´ve i had i also would spend this amount but for sure when you´re in this position you´re not even livting a finger to write a course...other will do that for you...not ?? i think so... But to get in this position is a long way and hard work..

Cheers,

Patrick

[citrus]

The thing with that, Patrick, is that the little guys (or beginners I should say), with all due respect, would probably not know what to do with a five-figure salesletter (for example). Copywriters will discuss strategy, tweak your letter, and stuff like that, but they won't teach you traffic generation basics or give you a soup to nuts crash course on Internet marketing.

Also, you mentioned little guys and their products. Product creation is definitely important, but let's think about what kind of product a newbie could create. Let's say a newbie's in the IM niche and wants to create a product on how to do affiliate marketing for example. Who would want to buy a product on how to do affiliate marketing from someone who has never done it before?

All I'm saying is that if you can't afford it, you probably don't need it.

Can't afford to shell out 2K for Mass Control? You should probably first establish a business foundation to get yourself up to the point where you can.

Can't afford a domain and hosting? You should probably get a job to support yourself and anybody else who have a responsibility to before you think about starting an online business.

Curtis

[Netinvestor]

Because you're right Curtis. And as I said, if I had $ 20,000 to spend and this could, I would do it.
Also your view, the experts sell other products as a beginner is definitely correct.

The only thing i tried to say is that beginner have work really hard in this time,harder then before, to reach such goals.

cheers,

Patrick

[Tony Cristo]

Curtis,

Good Point. You're right on the money. You have to build your stable foundation first before you try to build your skyscraper. Pay your dues, build your lists and use the tools available to you at your particular level.

If people look at 20k as being a lot of money, then they shouldn't even be looking at products and services at that level, because, they just aren't ready for those yet. They need to keep working on building their skills, from the bottom up. Very few people in life get to start at the top. Those that do get to start at the top, without working their way up the ladder of experience, most times just make mistakes with more zeros on the end of them. Just saying.

Great discussion topic guys,

Tony Cristo

[Mike Hersh]

It's a huge amount to invest in a business...

I started from zero and got into a safe place, well, a little more than safe.

You can invest that money smartly and make millions from it if you actually think before you go for it.

P.S

I know of a few big names who also started from zero investment and today they have a million dollar business. I thing that it's not how much you have to invest, but how much you invest from yourself to make it happen.

Mike G