Payment from the JV partner...

[vare]

Hi !

I was doing some marketing and earn ~ 200$ for now. I was contacting my partner for the payment but I don't get any response.
First I try to contact him almost 1 1/2 ago but nothing, and after that a 2-3 times but also nothing!!!

What should I do , any advice ?

Thanx

[Mike Merz]

Varga .... 1 1/2 months?, correct?

It could take up to 90 days, or more, to receive your commissions ... depending on how long the agreement was when you signed on. It's usually the first refund cycle.

Regardless ... the lines of communication for customers and affiliates are equally as important. Lack of response on their part will erode the bond of trust and credibility ... and perhaps ultimately kill their business.

I would review their affiliate terms and conditions ... if they've gone beyond it, and continue to ignore your queries ... find out who their payment processor is, report the problem to them and take it from there.

Best,

Mike

[vare]

Mike, thank you for the response.

Yes, 1 1/2 month.

I will try again to contact them.
He ( JV partner) was stop reply to my mail when I started to ask him about the payment method.
That is the reason why I put this kind of question here.

Mike, thanx again.

Regards
Atila

[Mike Merz]

Atila,

This is assuming we're talking about you being the endorsed mailing end of what is typically known today as a JV ... not the traditional route, where you are actually a partner in the development and/or marketing of the product ... were you simply promoting it?

Best,

Mike

[Chris Douthit]

It seems like I have been reading a lot about this kind of thing lately. Why do vendors not pay their affiliates, it doesn’t make any sense? If someone is making sales for you they are clearly going to stop if you don’t pay them.

The money they may have made off the affiliate could and likely would have been much more in the long run than the couple hundred bucks the vendors saves for ripping their affiliate off. Plus the program gets called out for having a scum bag vendor.

I don’t get it.

[Markus Allen]

It seems like I have been reading a lot about this kind of thing lately. Why do vendors not pay their affiliates, it doesn’t make any sense? If someone is making sales for you they are clearly going to stop if you don’t pay them.

The money they may have made off the affiliate could and likely would have been much more in the long run than the couple hundred bucks the vendors saves for ripping their affiliate off. Plus the program gets called out for having a scum bag vendor.

I don’t get it.


I'm quite well-known for being a sh*t stirrer about this very topic. Someone has to do it.

I've promoted over 200 affiliates programs via my daily newsletter since 1997...

... Guess how many have paid me on time?

As of today, none.

Technically, one has paid me almost on time for more than 7 years -- like clockwork every single month via PayPal... John Saya of CGIConnection. I say technically because his was off by a few hours when his website hosting provider went dark for almost a week (The Planet). And he was off by about half a day on Super Bowl Sunday (John likes to party hard and I'm sure that had something to do with it).

Full disclosure: I gave John the idea to start his company as a dare... and today I help John market his business, so I'm biased.

Coming in a close second is Yanik Silver.

Yanik missed payment by over a week one time and a few days one other time. Besides that, Yanik has sent payment on time every time for years -- again via PayPal.

A lot of people love ClickBank because they now pay biweekly and weekly. And they offer payment via wire, too. Unfortunately, I've seen way too many people complain of bounced ClickBank checks.

You'd be stunned who doesn't pay their affiliate bills. I've named names before and have been on the receiving end of the "treatment."

Here's the deal. These creeps use technicalities and thresholds to act like insurance companies... doing everything to delay your payment... some even flat out won't pay for a variety of excuses. They know most affiliates throw up a link and forget about it.

I actually created a free system that showed my newsletter subscribers how to use pay per click advertising to pressure these affiliate managers to pay their promised affiliate commissions. One VERY well-known internet marketer owed me $1,695.00 -- and I used my pay per click system to get my payment sent via PayPal in less than 30 hours (along with a threat to never mention his name)...

... But one time I used this pay per click strategy and it backfired. I was owed over $600 and they went on the offense and called me a blackmailer... in fact any time you searched my name (Markus Allen), the first few listings pointed to the same page -- about me blackmailing. Apparently Google removed this about a year ago.

Funny how trying to collect commissions is now deemed as blackmail.

Anyway, I no longer offer the system because it wasn't worth the backlash. I was only trying to help people and I got stung instead.

And you'd think most forums would warn you ahead of time about problem affiliates... nope, these guys use "body guarding" and "sock puppets" and the Delphi Technique to make you sound like a nut job for daring to even ask about payment in a forum. This is evil genius.

My advice is simple. If you don't get paid within 3 days of the promised date, start contacting the affiliate. Be the squeaky wheel. Starting posting in forums (and send them the links). Waiting is the last thing you want to do because these criminals count on most people being patient.

Start of very nice. But don't be patient if you don't get a response. And try every means possible of contact before posting on a board.

One last thing. In order to find out how to collect from these criminals, I reversed engineered a book that was titled something like, "How to be deadbeat and get away with it"... something like that. Anyway, this book literally showed you how to ditch and delay and ultimately never pay your bills. The ideas were beyond clever and devious. And some affiliate managers used the very same schemes published in this book.

Affiliate managers know the vast majority of affiliates will never complain -- so they don't pay them. The only affiliates that get paid are the top 10 or so.

That's what you're seeing with the Arbitrage Conspiracy affiliates. I'll bet my entire life's fortune only the top 10 affiliates got paid so far.

As Mike here says over and over again, not getting paid is not cool.

[Chris Douthit]

Interesting points, sounds like you definitely know the ins and outs of not getting paid. Hopefully that will be one topic I never know that much about ;)

You say some people where off by a few hours? I never tell my affiliates the hour I pay them, I just pay on a specific day.

[Markus Allen]

Interesting points, sounds like you definitely know the ins and outs of not getting paid. Hopefully that will be one topic I never know that much about ;)

You say some people where off by a few hours? I never tell my affiliates the hour I pay them, I just pay on a specific day.

Yep... hours meaning I was supposed to get paid by the 15th, and I eventually got paid in the wee hours of the morning.

I actually run my own affiliate program that pays today's commission by the very next day (via PayPal).

Not getting paid is awful.

[vare]

Thanx for everyone who read and take time to respond in this topic.

I send another mail 2 days ago, but nothing for now ...no response.

I will wait 1-2 day and if I don't get a response again I will attach here
the whole conversation we made by e-mail .

Thanx

[Markus Allen]

Thanx for everyone who read and take time to respond in this topic.

I send another mail 2 days ago, but nothing for now ...no response.

I will wait 1-2 day and if I don't get a response again I will attach here
the whole conversation we made by e-mail .

Thanx

If you're not getting response now, I HIGHLY doubt you'll get one in a few days.

You need to do what bill collectors do... be a royal pain in the arse.

I'd literally call their office and leave messages every 5 minutes.

Trust me... trust me -- you'll get results fast.

Remember -- squeaky wheel.

[Grahamh]

Markus


A lot of people love ClickBank because they now pay biweekly and weekly. And they offer payment via wire, too. Unfortunately, I've seen way too many people complain of bounced ClickBank checks.

I've had problems with CB - not following through on their promises from support staff.

When I started CB marketing the income came as a cheque. I'm in the UK, so my bank sent the $ cheque for collection rather than negotiation. That took 5 weeks before the money hit my account.

So I contacted CB and asked to go onto wire transfer - no problem they set it up straight away.

Then the problems started.

The second cheque arrived instead of a bank transfer

I asked them to cancel the cheque and wire the money ($20 charge for the cheque cancel)

The money didn't arrive and about 1 month later I received (Yep, you guessed it) a re-issued cheque.

I have emails from CB accounts saying that the 2nd amount had been wired - but it never arrived - meaning it was never sent.

Now I'm hoping that it will all settle down into regular wire transfers every 2 weeks.

Really hope I don't see any more 'flying pigs'.

Graham

[vare]

I don't get any response, again !

Here is our conversation...


Forwarded conversation
Subject: Followup - Mike Merz JV Parntership with FrontAdmin
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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/10/14
To: MY-EMAIL

Hi Atila,
David Sipes Here from YourAffiliateSucess and FrontAdmin!

First, thank you for signing up through our JVNotify with Mike Merz
and expressing interest in a JV Partnership with John Paul Raygoza.
We highly value long-term partnerships and look forward to working
with you.

The next steps are I will set you up with a custom JV landing page
similar to JohnRaygozasWebsites.com. Please simply let me know what
domain or URL you want me to use for your landing page. Ensure to
choose a domain that is available. Once I have your choice of
domain I will setup your landing page and provide you with three
separate emails in which you can use to send a broadcast to your
list.

That’s it…

Remember, we payout fast, and are offering bonuses for anyone who
can drive 100 and 200 sales in their first week.

Thanks a million! I am looking forward to working with you and
building a long-term relationship which fosters a winning and
profitable relationship.

Cheers!

David Sipes
Director, Affiliate Relations
YourAffiliateSuccess.com/FrontAdmin.com
Main: 310.220.9346
Email: David@YourAffiliateSuccess.com


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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/10/15
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>

Hi David!

If ti is possible I'd like to have this domain...
booming-steps.com


Tnx

Regards


2008/10/14 David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/10/17
To: MY-EMAIL

Hi Atila,

I hope you have been well. Thank you for your patience as we worked
to get you a custom landing page and all the backend setup for you
to successfully promote our free money making websites.

I have setup http://Booming-Steps.com for you and provided
copy for three separate emails which is attached. Although you can
use any email copy you choose, we have found that the open and
click through rate on these is excellent.

We recommend scheduling broadcasts to your list on Tuesday
Wednesday or Thursday’s at around 5AM EST for best results. I
wanted to see if next Tuesday, October 21st was open for you to
broadcast the first email copy to your clients. If not what day do
you see to be the earliest you can start promotions?

Please feel free to contact me at any time. I look forward to
working with you.

Cheers,

David Sipes
YourAffiliateSuccess.com
AIM/Yahoo: "IPWOPS"

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/10/20
To: MY-EMAIL

Hi Atila,

I just wanted to ensure you received this on Friday as I have not heard from you. Please let me know. Cheers! David

From: David Sipes [mailto:David@youraffiliatesuccess.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:37 AM
To: 'MY-EMAIL'
Subject: RE: Followup - Mike Merz JV Parntership with FrontAdmin

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/10/21
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>

Hi David !

Yes I recived it. But I was reply to your message, I don't know how you don't get it.

One more thing I want to ask... I want to promote it also in forum posts and other social sites, when could I start with that ?

Thanx

Regards
Atila

2008/10/20 David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/10/21
To: vare <MY-EMAIL>

Atila,

If you need banners, we are creating them now as forums, social sites and other banner advertisements has not been an area we have targeted quiet yet. I will get you some banners in the next few days and you can start right away. If you have a list of customers, please feel free to start promoting to them now.

Thank you very much.

David

From: vare [mailto:MY-EMAIL]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:23 PM
To: David Sipes
Subject: Re: FW: Followup - Mike Merz JV Parntership with FrontAdmin

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/10/22
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


Hi David!

I want to ask you how I monitor and track how many visitors are coming to www.booming-steps.com and also if I have some earnings ?

tnx

RegardsAtila
2008/10/21 David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/10/22
To: vare <MY-EMAIL>

Hi Atila,

Please go to the following url and use the login information below.

http://www.jumplaunch.com/idevaffiliate/

Username: *******
Password: ********

Thanks

David


From: vare [mailto:MY-EMAIL]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:40 AM

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/10/22
To: vare <MY-EMAIL>

Hi Atila,

I realized you may not know where to track your sales at so I wanted to get that information to you.
Username: vare
Password: atila79

Do you know when you can start promotions?

Thanks a million,

David


From: David Sipes [mailto:David@youraffiliatesuccess.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:36 PM
To: 'MY-EMAIL'
Subject: FW: Followup - Mike Merz JV Parntership with FrontAdmin

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/11/20
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


Hi David !

I've just checked my status on http://www.jumplaunch.com/idevaffiliate/
and I see there is a Earnings To Date $116.00 USD

Is that the sum I earned for now?

Thanx


2008/10/22 David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/11/20
To: vare <MY-EMAIL>

Atila,

I am not sure what you are looking at. I logged in and see only 9 hits and zero commission. It appears that you have not even been promoting the custom landing page so I am not sure that you are looking at. Please screen shot a picture of what you are seeing or something and I will help you get to the bottom of it.

So when can I get your commitment to start promotions? What are your thoughts?

Thanks a million,

David

From: vare [mailto:MY-EMAIL]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:46 PM
To: David Sipes
Subject: Re: FW: Followup - Mike Merz JV Parntership with FrontAdmin

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/11/20
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


Here is the screenshot.

I don't understand how is there only 9 hits !?

I was doing promotin through email, and some social sites(digg, propeller..)yahoo.

Please let me now what is happening ...
2008/11/20 David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>
Date: 2008/11/20
To: vare <MY-EMAIL>

Atila,

Well there you have it!!! I was looking at another ID we have in the system “VARE” thinking it was you. So yes, you have made commissions. It looks like a first tier and one second tier commission.

We pay out commissions on the 1st and 15th of each month. Do you want to wait until next check run at the end of next week or do you want payment now?

Thanks a million,

David

From: vare [mailto:MY-EMAIL]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:30 AM

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/11/21
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


Hi David!

Thanks for the answer.

If it's not problem I will wait until next check run at the end on next weekend.

Thanks again David.

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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/12/5
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


Hi David!

I want to ask again about the "statistics".
This is always shown to me more then a week when I login to my account

Traffic Statistics
Visitors 128 Total Sales and Sales Ratio
These statistics do not include recurring or tier commissions.
Unique Visitors 36
Total Sales 1
Sales Ratio 0.781%

but I don't understand why is it always the same, I was doing promotion and for sure there was or has to be some changes in visitors if not in other stats.
Could you tell how that works on site ?

And the second question is about the payment, would it be problem to send the check in this moth?

Tnx

Regards
Atila






2008/11/21 vare <MY-EMAIL>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/12/5
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


I almost forgot to ask, is there some other promoting material for the product(videos or something else)?
2008/12/5 vare <MY-EMAIL>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/12/7
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>

Tnx

Regards
Atila



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2008/12/12
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>

Hi David!

I was a sent a couple of mails but don;t get any response!!!
2008/12/7 vare <MY-EMAIL>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2009/1/21
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


Hi !

I sent a few mails a few weeks ago, but you did not answer!
i want to ask you again, but now fore the payments, when can I get my earnings ?


2008/12/12 vare <MY-EMAIL>



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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila

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From: vare <MY-EMAIL>
Date: 2009/2/23
To: David Sipes <David@youraffiliatesuccess.com>


I want to ask you again, but now for the payments, when can I get my earnings ?




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Pozdrav,
Varga Atila



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Varga Atila



After all, I don't know how to choose JV partner with trust.

[vare]

Does somebody have an advice how to choose JV partner with trust?

Thanx